Owings, Maryland 38.6856 N 76.6752 W | 1 or 2 2" rachet straps, the same ones that we use for binding loads on the truck. Been using them for years on tubeless tires, once you get the seat started, ease off on the ratchet carefully because they will get a load on em. From stories I have heard I don't think I would do the either trick, I've done alright all this time aint no sense starting something foolish like that, Straps will work, tried and proven many times,,,,,,,,,,,,,O&O Joe |