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lukemajors
Posted 1/24/2023 13:46 (#10057182 - in reply to #10057174)
Subject: RE: Mass shootings


45Deere9670 - 1/24/2023 13:41

lukemajors - 1/24/2023 13:04

WYDave - 1/24/2023 12:57

If guns were the problem, then we here in Wyoming would be seeing blood running in the streets. We're the most armed of all the states, with 70% of households having a gun, we have "constitutional carry" - meaning that you can go to a gunstore, buy a gun/ammo, strap it on under your coat and go walking down the street immediately after your background check and payment clears. We have guns in cars, guns in homes, guns in businesses, a local shooting range that has over 1,000 members in a town of 18,000 people... and we so few homicides with guns that they're highly newsworthy in the community, and they usually involve drugs and alcohol as motivating issues.

You anti-gun types keep pointing to other countries, but you don't want to even admit that these other countries have demographic, criminal law and judicial differences that have huge impacts on violent crime in general. For example, people love to point to Japan as a modern nation that has almost no guns, and therefore, almost no gun crime. Well, you lie by omission when you fail to also point out that:

- in Japan, they have very, very, very low rates of immigration. Japanese don't want immigrants - at all. Doesn't matter who, they don't want them.

- in Japan, they have 97% closure rates on their homicides. Want to know why? Their police can beat a confession out of a criminal. Most criminals confess to their crimes in Japan, because the police can beat them into confession. They still have executions - and they do kill criminals. Here's an example:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/asia/japan-prisoner-executions-intl-hnk/index.html

- in Japan, their society is basically a police state. Oh, it looks so helpful and tidy, what with their police officers on every corner, wearing their uniforms and tidy white gloves. But there is a cop on every corner, and he knows who lives in his patrol area - because he goes to interview everyone in his patrol area, twice a year. You, as a Japanese citizen, have to talk to the nice police officer - it's the law. You have to tell him who lives in your dwelling, their ages, where they work/go to school, etc.

In Japan, they have a saying: "The nail that sticks up will be hammered down." Conformity is the rule of the day there. They're an openly racist society (and don't tell me otherwise - I've been to Japan, and I've had that racism directed openly at me) and they value cohesion, conformity and a social system that is anti-individual and pro-social group. That has much more to do with their low rate of crime than any laws against guns, which historically, were put into place as a result of caste and tax issues, not crime issues.

People who think that banning guns will change the issues in the US are among the most disingenuous of all public policy advocates when they point at other countries - because they refuse to even acknowledge the differences between other countries and the US, only the gun laws.



Hardly a fair comparison, Wyoming population isn’t big enough for a congressional district. There might be lots of guns there, but not many people.

And as it turns out, lots of gun deaths in Wyoming
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm....

And how many of those were MASS SHOOTINGS (the topic at hand), and how many were suicides? You’re part of the disingenuous crowd WYDave mentions.



And suicide by gun is acceptable? If a gun wasn’t at the ready, that death could be prevented. Aren’t you pro life?
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