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sweetcorn70
Posted 11/29/2007 09:13 (#248585 - in reply to #248503)
Subject: RE: My thoughts



Russ In Idaho - 11/30/2007 02:35

First thing I wouldn't get into leasing cattle inless you owned the farm and the cattle and were going to be working someone into the farm with hopes to be retiring in a few years. Somebody can screw your cattle up in a matter of days, and if you are lucky all you have left is a cull cow, worst is a dead cow. I would pay off all debts, buy a set of heifers if you have the feed and a place to raise them. Raise them to springers, sell them. Get a few years of raising heifers under your belt, that is a key to making a dairy work not being able to milk them but to raise them and keep alive! If you can raise them from babies to springers, that is the key to being successful in dairying.

Side note if your girlfriend hates farm and cow, you better look elsewere, or forget the cows if you truly love her. A spouse that hates that way of life will make your life living hell! Also what would it take to go back to school and get a B.S. or Masters BEFORE you get married? It's alot easier to go to school unmarried and no kids. I realize school isn't for everyone, but that peice of paper sure gets your foot in the front door of a lot of good jobs. Even if your love is agriculture, you need a plan if the worsts happens, ie. if you became crippled, or lost the farm, etc. If you set a plan, and follow through and the girlfriend is a keeper, she will wait a couple of years for you to finish a plan of schooling.

You might want to listen or read a little from Dave Ramsey http://www.daveramsey.com/radio/home/ It might help you get on track a little. It never hurts to listen, you just have to be able to wade thru it all.
Good luck!

Just my two cents, and it ain't worth nothing!



Russ,

I thank you for your two cents. I very much agree that you can make a good cow a cull cow quickly with poor management. Having worked on the farms I am considering trying to lease to, I know their management style and I am not worried about cows being poorly cared for. If they were leasing an income producing asset, they would want her making money for them and a cull cow won't. The buying heifers and raising them and then selling them would be a good plan. I do not really have access to a facility right now where I could do it myself. My father has plenty of space and I could get feed but my dad would be the one doing all the chores and, well, I would have dead heifers. If I lived closer I could do it myself there but I live 2 hours away right now. If I could buy weaned heifers I could probably get things arranged so he could do it and I could keep an eye on him but I don't want to worry about it that much. With the leasing plan, the more I think about it the more I would need whoever it was to raise at least the heifers. The only thing that would change that would be if I could find a barn down here to rent to keep them in, which I would highly doubt is possible at a reasonable cost because I live just west of Columbus. Another option would be transfering to a prison closer to home so I could be there and use dad's facilities but if I transfered I wouldn't be in a dairy I'd be in a beef setup. I am trying to get as much experience as I can and learn as much as I can. While I can't say I've raised my own heifers, I raised holstein steers in high school and all the farms I've worked on I've been involved with the calf care. I can honestly say I've never lost one that was my fault. Some of the farms had 10 different people feeding calves over a weeks time and people just didnt' care. By the time they alerted myself or someone else who knew what to do or knew enough to know something was wrong it was too late and the calf was as good as dead.

My girlfriend is supportive of my desire to farm. She will move whereever if it means I can farm. She is also more than willing to help out feeding calves or whatever but she is a school teacher and her job is important so that has to get done. She is patiently waiting for me to pay down my debt and get myself in a better financial position before we become engaged. Her family is not well off, but they paid for all of her Masters degree so she doesn't have any debt and spends her money pretty frugally. That is very important to her. Her only request as far as the idea of me farming is that it has to be able to stand on its own two feet---she doesn't want to support it financially. She has a friend whose father farms and the only way he can is because her mom has a very good job and pays all the bills and then some. I don't want her to support it financially either. I will say that she would rather I stay at my current job, milking cows for the State of Ohio(good pay, benefits, 40 hr weeks) but she also understands how badly I want to farm on my own and how important it is to me.

I would love to get a Bachelors degree. I have actually thought about taking a few classes towards that end since I am so close to Columbus but I would want to pay cash since I have so much school debt already. Paying things down and off is more important right now. Another hang up is that I never figured in a million years I would want a Bachelors when I got my Associates. The school I went to had 2 types of maths, englishes, etc. For the associate program you only had to take some slightly easier classes but they don't transfer. If you were transfering you took the harder classes. Like I said I never figured on transfering and so they put me in the non-transfering classes. I guess what I'm trying to say is that to get my bachelors I would have 3 years of classes to take instead of just 2 because I need all the basic classes too.

Thank you for posting about Mr. Ramsey, I will try to explore the link later when I have more time.


Enough rambling for now.

Thank you very much for your reply, it is greatly appreciated.

Mike
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