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dpilot83
Posted 1/1/2024 13:56 (#10552386)
Subject: PHEV Pickups - Dodge Ramcharger



Edit:

I see there has already been discussion of the Ramcharger on NAT. Looks like the concensus is negative from both the pro-EV crowd and the anti-EV crowd, lol. Somewhere in this first thread someone mentioned a 27 gal tank. If that is true then it doesn't have very good economy without the battery and doesn't seem near as appealing as what the rest of my post below is talking. I was hoping the engine always being able to run at it's most efficient RPM and load environment would make it more efficient than that.

https://newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1136116&posts=30r&highlightmode=1#M10473914

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There seems to be pretty regular EV discussion here. I think the vast majority of us believe that pickups used for substantial work aren't really viable as EV's at least until battery cost and battery energy density get better by a factor of 2 or more.

Right or wrong, MFG's have to meet federal emissions guidelines over time so it'll be interesting to see how that is accomplished. I believe Dodge is going to be the first one I'm aware of that will try to solve that problem on a half ton or larger pickup with a plug-in-hybrid concept.

I don't think any of this is set in stone yet but I believe the basics are:

  • 3.0L Hurricane inline 6 twin turbo engine connected to a 130 kW generator
  • 92 kWh battery
  • 250 kW motor for the front two wheels. Can disengage for greater efficiency when you don't need that extra 250 kW and when you don't need AWD
  • 250kW motor for the rear two wheels. These will be pushing all the time and it has an included electric locking differential
  • 690 miles of projected range
  • ~650 HP
  • over 600 foot pounds of torque
  • targeted 0-60 mph in 4.4 seconds
  • One tank of gas plus a fully charged battery is supposed to be able to serve as a full house generator for 30 days if you're using 30 kWh per day (my family used 42 kWh per day over the course of 2023)
I'm interested in several things:

  • what HP are they having to pull from the Hurricane engine to keep that 130kW generator happy?
  • How much fuel per hour does it burn when the engine is running?
  • Will it have a certain amount of range that it can run as electric only? As I look on the webpage more I think the answer to that is yes but I'm not sure. I would think a 92 kWh battery could run it maybe 75 to 125 miles and it would be nice not to have to start the engine for shorter trips that might be common for such a pickup. Could just keep it plugged in instead and only use the engine for longer range trips.
  • Why it isn't a diesel engine? I would think a continuous engine RPM and load would be a perfect job for a diesel. Kinda glad it's not though as I don't like dealing with fuel filters and emissions problems associated with modern diesels.
  • Wonder how loud that engine is? I could imagine pulling off the highway after hauling a trailer for several hundred miles and your battery is at 35% and you want to go through a trailer friendly fast-food joint and get back on the road. If you pull up to the drive through window with a 3.0L twin turbo engine running at 3,500 RPM, it might be a bit noisier than one would like

Overall I really like the concept and I have a small 2wd Silverado that's getting quite a few miles on it. By the time the Ramcharger is available I'll probably be ready to retire it and it seems like the Ramcharger might really fit the bill as a good replacement for the medium duty vehicle on the farm.

If it works well for small cars all the way up to freight trains, why not for pickups? I wonder if this is the practical solution for the larger pickups over the next 20 years until battery tech gets substantially better as well.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/revolution/ram-1500-ramcharger.html

https://youtu.be/dujxXBLzeBs?si=3BjLci9HDf3OVqDt





Edited by dpilot83 1/1/2024 14:18




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